The Iraq war. Change of tactics needed?.

actually, Sean Hannity and Bill O'reilly do attend many real debates. i guess you just missed them.

and, really, stop drinking kool aid. it will really help you open your eyes to reality.

now, i do watch Discovery and History... don't really like national geographic.

and really? you're saying i'm stupid? c'mon, i thought you were better then that. yes, i may not be a nerd, but c'mon, stupid?

and i don't know what world you live in, but i've been able to even convince LIBERALS, and not just regular liberals, but commies and hippies, that FNC is fair and balanced. And, most indepenedents (which i'm not, i find them lost cause attention whores) that i know actually agree that FNC is fair and balanced.

and most Right wingers do believe that FNC is fair and balanced, but the extreme right wingers have actually called FNC servers of satan because they don't take the side of phinatical christians.

so, here are the people that find FNC biased
KKK
Black Panthers
Neo Nazis
Most hippies (but not the ones i've debated with)
and many kool aid drinking left wingers

You'll have to show me these people, because I think you're full of shit.

And yes, Oreily is in real debates, that aren't hosted on a biased network where he is in controll. Please, try again.

nope, they aren't. you'll have to look on internet sites that have this crap. headline prime once had it, and i do believe they're owned by CNN.

and, one was held at an even with al franken and his people having control. he was actually sandbagged, but, he did get out untouched, cause he is a badass mofo. not to mention that o'reilly is a green and against the death penalty, not common for a right winger.... and, he does say that the bush administration has failed at the war... nother not so common line from a right winger.

but, i guess you're kool aid thoughts of him are more accurate, cause they came out of your mouth.

and, once you come to my school, i'll introduce you to my liberal friends.

Pfft, some little dumb ass kids? Oh yeah, cause they are so damn smart and informed.

well, also some schoool teachers (who don't hate me for some reason, probably cause i'm one of the smartest kids they've taught).

myspace people.

Criminals being arrested who i get to talk to.

some cops, but most are right wingers.

went to D.C. talked to some protestors, but i only talked to one about FNC. Most I pwnd, others were just too ignorant to actually listen to what i was saying.

I never argue about things that i'm wishy washy about, only about things that i'm strong for, mainly why i win all the fights i've ever had (in reality, forum's a lot harder because people do gay shit like not listen... fuckin' sucks, if someone were in my face saying the same shit as you right now, i would have shut them up by now cause i'd have the ability to stop them on every point they make and counter right there, instead of me having to explain everything in one post, you ignore them, and me having to explain them again) but, one thing that does comfort me, you and the forum people are many, and i'll never be able to confront all of you in my lifetime. hell, i used to have a blast at the DailyKos, until i got banned. but, i didn't change anyone's mind there, i know people just like that in reality, but i'm face to face with them, which is why they view things differently when i'm threw with them.

I've been reading everything you say, and with weak argumants bassically saying "I'm right, you're wrong, get used to it", I am led to believe you are full of shit.

see, someone with the same argument in reailty would have not even been able to make that last comment by now.

you just got nothing but the "you're bsing" factor. which is fine, i know i've clearly made my point to you, and slowly your brain is working it out. i just have to give it time.

You can give it as much time as you want, the shit you stated just set me off on a "wtf is wrong with him" rant.

well, some who are too stubborn (like my dad, which you remind a lot of) won't give it any time.

but, even with people like that, in person, they will at least say (well, it all goes down to matter of opinion now does it?)

so, here it is
it all goes down to matter of opinion now does it?

No... no it does not... not when you are doing say, polls, which are a mathamatical representation of opinions. how Fox tends to lean FAR to the right, NBC FAR to the left, both outragiously full of shit...

it's an opinion if Fox it self is far to the right.

i say it's fair and balanced, you say it isn't.

what, are claiming that fox people are taking stats and changing them to fit their ideology? that's an outrageous statment, especially since many fox news contributors of polls and stats are liberals.

but, it's still a matter of opinion on whether fox is fair or not.

but, i guess you're actually more stubborn then the average stubborn person...

Or more informed then the average person, not readily willing to fall for your normal preaching

like i said, it's an opinion. you are not more informed then me. see, i just made a statement that you would state, only thing is, i beat you to the punch.

anyone can say that they are more informed, or just smarter on this forum... shocksock could.

you're hot tempered. not good for a debator and someone to make such harsh statements. it's obvious that you are guided by your emotions, and that is why i can't trust you even more.

now, i gave you the option of just saying it falls to matter of opinion on whether FNC is fair and balanced or not... i'll give it to you one more time.

maybe some stats have been skewered, but doesn't mean all. like i said, many liberals are fox news contributors, and have given many stats that are shown on foxnews.com and on fox news shows. if stats were skewered on that show, it is because polls can never be 100% accurate, and anyone with a brain can know that. Fox has given many negative stats on right wing issues (mainly the war now).

but, it all comes down to opinion on whether FNC is balanced or not.

Now compare those stats and polls to other news networks.

there needs 2 b a change in the war. we need 2 find a way 2 untify the ppl and destroy all opposition 2 Iraq's new gov. We also need 2 lower corruption and make sure the Iraqi gov. actually does what is needs to b doing